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Hank



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Check out this site Reply with quote

I invite you to visit this site. The latest numbers I have seen are 1 in 110 children are autistic. If you don't know a parent of an Autistic child most likely in the near future you will.

http://reverseautismnow.org/

Here is a letter to the editor.
LETTER TO EDITOR: Who's the CDC really working for?

Last Friday afternoon an announcement by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that didn’t even make it into the Vindicator was the recently released new numbers that autism affects 1 in 110 children. Two years ago the CDC told us autism occurred at a rate of 1 in 150 children based on data from 2002. Now, new data from 2006 tells us there has been a jaw dropping increase of 57% in just four years. What will they tell us next? 1 in 50 kids have it? 1 in 10 kids? 1 in 2 kids? How bad does it have to get before the autism epidemic gets the attention it deserves? The incompetents at the CDC don’t seem to know what the numbers really are and why the numbers seem to be growing- but the one thing they are certain about is that its not pediatric vaccines behind the rising numbers. They are finally starting to admit that increases like these have to mean an environmental cause(s) is at play and there has definitely been a true increase- not just better diagnosis as they have been trying to credit. But, whatever those unknown and mysterious factors are- they are absolutely certain vaccines aren’t one of them.
Andrea Keller
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Cammie



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hank,
What's your thought on the whole autism-vaccine link? I know the CDC claims that it doesn't exist, but private studies show a link and the Supreme Court ruled that a vaccine exacerbated a girl's existing condition and caused her some major problems. We're told over and over to vaccinate without question, but kids are exposed to something like 10 times the vaccines they were 30 years ago. It just seems a little excessive to be putting all of that stuff into those tiny bodies...

And I'm not saying I'm anti-vaccine. I just wonder if we're doing too many at too young an age...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think part of the problem is that kids are given 2 shots in each leg for a total of 4 shots a one time. If you tell the nurse that you only want one shot at a time and will come back, they will do that.
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Hank



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cammie, I would refer you to the following post. Vaccines Cause Autism,

http://www2.newaygo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3490

The more I read about the subject the more I am convinced that we are being had by the big Pharma and our government when it comes to our health.
I got reacquainted with the young man who has the site I posted at his grandmothers funeral. He was a year ahead of my son in school. I have been in contact with him quite alot over the last few months and his research into his daughters austism.
There are a growing number of doctors that are starting to see the error of their ways when it comes to vaccinations.
I am a big fan of Dr. Russell Blaylock, Dr. Mercola, Dr. William Douglas and Dr Tenpenny. Dr. Tenpenny is on facebook and post a lot of good information on there.
Recently she posted a piece about the cost of vaccines that went something like this 1) we pay for the vaccine 2) we pay the dr. to figure out what is wrong with us because we got the vaccine and 3) we pay for the drugs to cure us from the vaccines.

When you look at the numbers that are being ignored or covered up by the government and big pharma I believe we have a serious problem
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

real wrote:
I think part of the problem is that kids are given 2 shots in each leg for a total of 4 shots a one time. If you tell the nurse that you only want one shot at a time and will come back, they will do that.


There are some times when kids will get up to 6 shots at one time. I've been researching alternate vaccine schedules for a while now. There are a few I definitely will not be giving my future children, and the others will be spread out over quite some time. My gosh, they even give a Hepatitis B vaccine when children are a day old! Hep B is an STD. Why does an infant need a vaccine against an STD?

Hank, thank you for your input. I've been doing a lot of reading over the past year about the autism-vaccine link. My husband thinks I'm a little paranoid. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cammie, Here is a link that might be helpful
http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/Vaccine_Friendly_Doctors.asp

The more I read about this the more I don't believe it is worth the risk. I just read about a family that is sueing a Catholic pre school because they will not let their pre schooler in because they haven't been vaccinated.
My question is if everyone else has been vaccinated they what are they affraid of? Their all immune aren't they?

I don't know if you read the story on the reverseautismnow site or not but it is pretty interesting.
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Hank



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cammie, here is another interesting article. All I can say is follow the money.


http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2009/1208.html
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Hank



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sids Sudden infant death syndrome I would say is the same as Cot death in Austrailia here is an article written in 1991
http://whale.to/vaccines/cot_death.html#VACCINATION_-_A_MAJOR_STRESS_

Then here is one that once again follow the money
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/the-rise-of-flu-inc/article1414474/
here is an excerp from the article::
Dr. Ossi came to the hastily arranged gathering of health officials and academics expecting to talk to them about his company's research into anti-viral drugs and flu vaccine. But the health experts clustered around a handful of tables were not interested in hearing about the science behind such products. They had much more pressing concerns.

They only had one question, Dr. Ossi recalls: “How much can you make and how fast can you make it?”
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cammie Said:
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They even give a Hepatitis B vaccine when children are a day old! Hep B is an STD. Why does an infant need a vaccine against an STD?



Because there are other ways to get Hep B than just from Sex, and I personally would rather be safe than sorry..your infant will come into contact with things that will make your toes curl, expecially when he/she starts crawling/walking!!


The hepatitis B virus spreads through blood, semen, vaginal fluids, and other body fluids. Infection can occur if you have:

* Blood transfusions
* Contact with blood in health care settings
* Had direct contact with the blood of an infected person by touching an open wound or been stuck with a needle
* Had unsafe sex with an infected person
* Received a tattoo or acupuncture with contaminated instruments
* Shared needles during drug use
* Shared personal items (such as toothbrushes, razors, and nail clippers) with an infected person

The hepatitis B virus can be passed to an infant during childbirth if the mother is infected.

The risk of becoming chronically infected depends on your age at the time of infection. Most newborns and about 50% of children infected with hepatitis B develop chronic hepatitis. Only a few adults infected with HBV develop the chronic condition.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is the Hepatitis B Vaccine Given to Newborns?

By Sherri J Tenpenny

June 8, 2007

www.nmaseminars.com



Hepatitis b is a liver disease caused by a virus with the same name. The infection may be acute or chronic and symptoms can include fever, malaise, fatigue, jaundice, abdominal tenderness, and elevated liver enzymes. While a person can be quite ill with this infection, the treatment is supportive and aimed at providing comfort. The vast majority of patients recover within eight weeks of an acute episode of the infection without any long term complications.



Parents are told that hepatitis b is a potentially life-threatening illness. What they are not told is the real risk of serious complications from the disease and that it is very unlikely their child will contract it.



The virus is spread by coming in contact with the blood of an infected person. The vast majority of hepatitis b occurs in persons considered to be in "high risk groups." These groups include adults who inject illicit drugs or are chronic alcoholics; individuals who have been diagnosed with a sexually transmitted disease; and men who have sex with men. Only 1.25 percent of individuals who are infected with the hepatitis b virus may develop liver cancer 30 years after being diagnosed as a chronic carrier.[1] Despite the low incidence of cancer, the hepatitis b vaccine has been called the first "anti-cancer vaccine." Considering the risk factors of those who contract hepatitis b, it could well be the alcohol or the drugs that cause the cancer, not the virus.



The number reported cases of acute hepatitis B infection have steadily declined, from 18,003 cases in 1991 to 8,036 cases in 2000.[2] Of all persons who are exposed to the hepatitis b virus, 50 percent will develop no symptoms and 30 percent develop only mild flu-like symptoms. In both circumstances, the person will acquire life-time immunity to the virus.



Approximately 20 percent of persons who contract hepatitis b will develop fever, abdominal tenderness and the telltale sign of the infection: jaundice. In this subset of patients, more than 95 percent recover fully and will be immune for life. That means of all persons who are both exposed to the virus and become measurably ill, only 5 percent have the potential to become chronic carriers of the hepatitis b infection.[3]



So, let’s do the math: If 8,000 persons were diagnosed in the U.S. with hepatitis b in 2000, and 5 percent of those became chronic carriers, that would be 400 persons. If approximately 1 percent of chronic carriers go on to develop liver cancer, 4 adults might be prevented from contracting liver cancer by massive vaccination of more than four million newborns born each year.

 

Why babies?



In 1991, the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices (ACIP) began recommending the hepatitis b vaccine for newborns within the first 48 hours of life. Between 30-50% of children who develop adequate antibody after three doses of vaccine will loose detectable antibody within 7 years.[4] That means that many children vaccinated as babies will not have a measurable level of antibodies by the time they are seven years of age; most will not retain antibodies into adulthood.



The government pushed hepatitis B vaccination on infants as part of a strategy to eliminate the hepatitis b virus from the general population. Vaccination programs that targeted high-risk groups did not work because many adults refused the vaccine. Finding it difficult to vaccinate high risk groups with three doses of the vaccine, the government advisors decided the only way to control the problem was to vaccinate the entire population, starting at birth.



Newborns have been targeted for vaccination because they are accessible. Ask any parent who has tried to refuse this vaccine before leaving the hospital and you will hear horror stories of unrelenting pressure placed on them by nurses and doctors wanting to vaccinate their precious newborn.



If the hepatitis b vaccine is avoided at birth, then it is administered during the routine two month office visit…along with five other vaccines: polio (three strains), the Hib (H. influenza), Prevnar (seven strains of streptococcus), DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis) and now, the new Rotateque (four strains of rotavirus). That is a total of 19 vaccine antigens and multiple doses of chemicals injected on the same visit into an eight week old baby.




Clearly, the universal vaccination of all newborns with hepatitis b vaccine is a policy that is based on convenience and opportunity, not need. Parents would be wise to investigate hepatitis b and risks of the disease long before they are forced to make the decision about vaccinating.









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1. Hyams, K.C. Risks of chronicity following acute hepatitis B virus infection: A review. Clin. Infect. Dis. 20, 992-1000. 1995.

2. Acute hepatitis B infection and hepatitis B surface antigen positivity reported in the Department of Veterans Affairs: 3. Occurrence in a population seeking medical assistance.

Ibid. Hyams, K.C. (1995)

4. Protection against viral hepatitis. Recommendations of the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee (ACIP). MMWR 1990 Feb 9;39(RR02):1-26.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ArmyWife"]Cammie Said:
[quote]They even give a Hepatitis B vaccine when children are a day old! Hep B is an STD. Why does an infant need a vaccine against an STD?
[/quote]


Because there are other ways to get Hep B than just from Sex, and I personally would rather be safe than sorry..your infant will come into contact with things that will make your toes curl, expecially when he/she starts crawling/walking!!


ArmyWife, read this and tell me you think babies or anyone for that matter should have the vaccine

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/fluck.html (congressional testimony of nurse)

Excerp from The Vaccination Hoax

"The blood-brain barrier is not intact in infants until at least 6 weeks of life. This is why a newborn with a fever must be subjected to a spinal tap to rule out meningitis. Any virus or bacteria that a newborn is exposed to can go directly to the nervous system. This is why the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth is so dangerous. Between 1991 and 1999, when the shot contained thimerosal, giving it at birth would have resulted in mercury crossing into the brain since the blood-brain barrier was not yet intact. As a nurse, I'm concerned that this information about the normal timing of a blood-brain barrier forming is not more readily known. I think this normal delay in the forming of a blood-brain barrier is an important piece of the puzzle and one of the reasons for the surge of autism in the 90's."----Mary Barbera RN, MSN

"A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a 180-pound adult 30 vaccinations on the same day. Include in this the toxic effects of high levels of aluminium and formaldehyde contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown levels. Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several months after birth. Bilary transport is the major biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well. They also do not possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminium. Additionally, mercury is a well-known inhibitor of kidney function."--Boyd Haley Ph.D.

Mercury is a highly toxic poison that increases in toxicity in combination with other poisons such as aluminium:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is why a newborn with a fever must be subjected to a spinal tap to rule out meningitis.


This isn't even true. Newborns with a fever can be caused by many things and usually don't result in a spinal tap.

I think that just like anything else data and facts can be skewed and changed to fit a theory, it just all depends on what side of the argument you are getting your information from. There are TONS of pro-vaccine sites that provide all kinds of facts about how important vaccines are and I can also find TONS of sites that spout the evils of vaccines. I think that each parent needs to decide what is best for their child and their family. My daughter was given the Hep B vaccine and my son (to be born in about 8 weeks) will get the vaccine as well. But that was my decision as a parent. I don't expect everyone else to feel the same way.

With that being said there are some vaccines that I do think are important especially for school age children..Polio for example..that disease has been all but wiped out because of vaccines, I will send my child to school vaccinated..I hope that others will as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmyWife, you have to do what you think is best but again I would say follow the money. A lot of the studies that say these vaccinations are good for you are done by the very ones that will profit by you having the shot.

I read yesterday that giving a 6# baby a vaccination is like giving a 180#man 30 vaccinations at once.

I like you believed that polio, tenanus, small pox were important, but I have since learned that they too were just a way for someone to make lots of money.

http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html

Email the reverse autism now . org site and see what that young couple has to say about vaccinations. I am sure he would be happy to talk with you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Army Wife,
I will also send my child to school vaccinated. With some, but not all, of the recommended vaccines (I'm very anti- chicken pox vaccine for example). And my husband and I have decided to never allow our future children any more than 2 at a time, and they will be far more spaced out than what the CDC currently recommends. I agree with your logic of better safe than sorry, but you can still be safe and not overdose your kid on vaccines. It just freaks me out when you look at what we were given as kids and what they want to give to kids nowadays--in some cases before they're even a year old.
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